To preface this review I've spent the past 3 seasons on an m series pump gas turbo at 8-10 lbs with basically everything done to it but race fuel. Had an EZ Ryde, the 2.6 powerclaw, etc etc etc.
I have spent several full days of riding also the pro RMK in various forms, stock, SLP stage 3. These are FULL days of riding, not just swap time with a buddy. I've also done swap time on the XM as well and time on a stock Pro-climb.
First of all my sled started it's life as a stock 12 162" sno-pro. Previous owner had Vohk install a speedwerx 925 using the stock pipe and speedwerx silencer. I have since added:
- BDX cold air with headlight delete
- Skinz Rasmussen Air frames with plastics pulled in
- 19/50 gearing
- updated secondary
- BDX front end
- Gripper skis
- 3” camo extreme
- HCR post- 2 in riser
- Trail Tank
- WRP low rise seat
- BDX Oil Delete
Weight I’ve roughly saved- I weighed nothing on my own. a regret for sure.
BDX Kit- 5 lbs
Seat- 4 lbs
Tank- 5 lbs
Rear skid- 2 lbs
Headlight delete 10 lbs
Motor- 20 lbs
Oil delete 10 lbs
Roughly a total of around 56 lbs, give or take. Here are my thoughts to this point with two early season rides, one at buff pass in spring-ish conditions with no base and two days at wolf creek in solid snow conditions. For knowledge sake I'm 6'2" and 230.
1. Power is there man, it's bottom end is really solid. Doesn't have the top end pull of the turbo that's for sure and I was out climbed by a race gas pro at 12,000 feet (which is to be expected, didn't think I would hang with him) but was awesome to be back on a sled with snap at the bottom end. That makes tree riding easier then ever which is where we spend 90% of our time.
2. Air frames are amazing, best upgrade yet, holds much less snow then both the pro and the XM
3. BDX front end seems really nice man. Don't have much seat time to compare too obviously, but the BDX with the gripper skis kept the front end up and worked very well together.
4. Trail tank is amazing man, fuel economy was basically the same between myself and a 13 Pro Stage 3 on Friday, not sure on Sat yet, but it's been awesome not to have to pack fuel in.
5. I just put a lower riser on it, from 4.5 in down to 2 in, and I think that will help as well, bars where too tall, even for me, difficult when the downhill ski was away from me.
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6. I'm still playing with the rear skid to find out what works best all around, but it gets plenty of traction now that's for sure. The 3" makes a big difference on that front, wants to work its way uphill a lot which is taking a bit of getting used too.. I got stuck probably 6-8 times on Friday and then only once Sat that required someone else's help. Getting used to the chassis I think is making a big big difference. Right now I am running with the 13 front skid location and the bottom hole in the rear. Changed that this week to the top hole on the rear bracket, as I think there was a bit too much ski pressure. I've been running 45-50 lbs of air in the front end with the longer shocks and 130 lbs in the rear.
7. The motor and track combination allow me to ride a bit slower when needed, while the rear skid (while not an ez ryde) gives me the confidence to push the sled when I need too as well.
8. Chassis is just superior to the M series. Got back on an m series turbo at one point during the day and it just felt like a tank. The new chassis "feels" more nimble and responsive that is for sure. (just couldn't bring myself to use the F word there)
9. Obviously nothing that points the sleds ability to ride on edge in the trees, but smoked an SLP XM and a stage 3 Pro in a race on the way home the other day. Guess it just means that the 925 is running well enough to walk away from those two sleds.
Otherwise, need to get a couple more things figured out, mainly rear skid and clutching stuff. I don't think the chassis is what the pro is, but I think the overall package is probably as good or better. Sled seemed to roll up on its side almost too easy at times, causing too much wash on steep side-hills.
I've got another 10-15 lbs I can loose off the sled in the next 1-2 years as well (sled budget is gone this year). it is rock solid. My clutches where running cooler then an XM's all weekend long as well which is a comforting thought. It's going to be a solid sled.
I'm also very curious to weight them up with a buddies scales and see how close i am to the Pro's, bet it's pretty close, within 20-30 lbs.
Overall I'm very pleased with the sled at this point, I know there is more left on the table with clutching and that is the next area I am going to apply my focus. I have been working with IZZNI here on the forum with his gauge reflash and that is making a HUGE difference for me in tuning this sled, as it allows the stock gauge to record data that I can then play back. It allows me to make a line in the trees, record RPM, etc. come back down and then log that information into my phone, such as elevation, snow conditions, etc. Definitely changing the way we are tuning and clutching sleds. Nothing like real world data to drive change.
There is also another few pounds to loose there and a few more ponies to gain. Jeremy at Speedwerx has been helpful as I've had questions along the way, can't say the same for the dealer who built the sled originally. The Pro is still a superior chassis in the technical terrain, but not by much. Overall the motor, overall ride quality is better then the pro, which I think makes the two a choice of favorites. As has been said many times before, a pro chassis with a suzk motor and a 3" in it would be a difficult package to beat, until then, I'm staying on the cat. I'd be happy to give any feedback to help if you boys have any questions. Amazing sled for sure and if anyone in WY, ID or MT wants to have a chance to ride it, take me and my boys to your secret spots March 29-April 5 when we're taking a spring break trip, I'd be happy to allow test rides! I'll post up some pics perhaps tonight as well.
I have spent several full days of riding also the pro RMK in various forms, stock, SLP stage 3. These are FULL days of riding, not just swap time with a buddy. I've also done swap time on the XM as well and time on a stock Pro-climb.
First of all my sled started it's life as a stock 12 162" sno-pro. Previous owner had Vohk install a speedwerx 925 using the stock pipe and speedwerx silencer. I have since added:
- BDX cold air with headlight delete
- Skinz Rasmussen Air frames with plastics pulled in
- 19/50 gearing
- updated secondary
- BDX front end
- Gripper skis
- 3” camo extreme
- HCR post- 2 in riser
- Trail Tank
- WRP low rise seat
- BDX Oil Delete
Weight I’ve roughly saved- I weighed nothing on my own. a regret for sure.
BDX Kit- 5 lbs
Seat- 4 lbs
Tank- 5 lbs
Rear skid- 2 lbs
Headlight delete 10 lbs
Motor- 20 lbs
Oil delete 10 lbs
Roughly a total of around 56 lbs, give or take. Here are my thoughts to this point with two early season rides, one at buff pass in spring-ish conditions with no base and two days at wolf creek in solid snow conditions. For knowledge sake I'm 6'2" and 230.
1. Power is there man, it's bottom end is really solid. Doesn't have the top end pull of the turbo that's for sure and I was out climbed by a race gas pro at 12,000 feet (which is to be expected, didn't think I would hang with him) but was awesome to be back on a sled with snap at the bottom end. That makes tree riding easier then ever which is where we spend 90% of our time.
2. Air frames are amazing, best upgrade yet, holds much less snow then both the pro and the XM
3. BDX front end seems really nice man. Don't have much seat time to compare too obviously, but the BDX with the gripper skis kept the front end up and worked very well together.
4. Trail tank is amazing man, fuel economy was basically the same between myself and a 13 Pro Stage 3 on Friday, not sure on Sat yet, but it's been awesome not to have to pack fuel in.
5. I just put a lower riser on it, from 4.5 in down to 2 in, and I think that will help as well, bars where too tall, even for me, difficult when the downhill ski was away from me.
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6. I'm still playing with the rear skid to find out what works best all around, but it gets plenty of traction now that's for sure. The 3" makes a big difference on that front, wants to work its way uphill a lot which is taking a bit of getting used too.. I got stuck probably 6-8 times on Friday and then only once Sat that required someone else's help. Getting used to the chassis I think is making a big big difference. Right now I am running with the 13 front skid location and the bottom hole in the rear. Changed that this week to the top hole on the rear bracket, as I think there was a bit too much ski pressure. I've been running 45-50 lbs of air in the front end with the longer shocks and 130 lbs in the rear.
7. The motor and track combination allow me to ride a bit slower when needed, while the rear skid (while not an ez ryde) gives me the confidence to push the sled when I need too as well.
8. Chassis is just superior to the M series. Got back on an m series turbo at one point during the day and it just felt like a tank. The new chassis "feels" more nimble and responsive that is for sure. (just couldn't bring myself to use the F word there)
9. Obviously nothing that points the sleds ability to ride on edge in the trees, but smoked an SLP XM and a stage 3 Pro in a race on the way home the other day. Guess it just means that the 925 is running well enough to walk away from those two sleds.
Otherwise, need to get a couple more things figured out, mainly rear skid and clutching stuff. I don't think the chassis is what the pro is, but I think the overall package is probably as good or better. Sled seemed to roll up on its side almost too easy at times, causing too much wash on steep side-hills.
I've got another 10-15 lbs I can loose off the sled in the next 1-2 years as well (sled budget is gone this year). it is rock solid. My clutches where running cooler then an XM's all weekend long as well which is a comforting thought. It's going to be a solid sled.
I'm also very curious to weight them up with a buddies scales and see how close i am to the Pro's, bet it's pretty close, within 20-30 lbs.
Overall I'm very pleased with the sled at this point, I know there is more left on the table with clutching and that is the next area I am going to apply my focus. I have been working with IZZNI here on the forum with his gauge reflash and that is making a HUGE difference for me in tuning this sled, as it allows the stock gauge to record data that I can then play back. It allows me to make a line in the trees, record RPM, etc. come back down and then log that information into my phone, such as elevation, snow conditions, etc. Definitely changing the way we are tuning and clutching sleds. Nothing like real world data to drive change.
There is also another few pounds to loose there and a few more ponies to gain. Jeremy at Speedwerx has been helpful as I've had questions along the way, can't say the same for the dealer who built the sled originally. The Pro is still a superior chassis in the technical terrain, but not by much. Overall the motor, overall ride quality is better then the pro, which I think makes the two a choice of favorites. As has been said many times before, a pro chassis with a suzk motor and a 3" in it would be a difficult package to beat, until then, I'm staying on the cat. I'd be happy to give any feedback to help if you boys have any questions. Amazing sled for sure and if anyone in WY, ID or MT wants to have a chance to ride it, take me and my boys to your secret spots March 29-April 5 when we're taking a spring break trip, I'd be happy to allow test rides! I'll post up some pics perhaps tonight as well.
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