Clutch won't come off with Water?

[Sidehiller]

I don't think some of you are understanding this concept of using water pressure to push the clutch off of the tapered shaft. I was not trying to use the clutch bolt to push against the crank. The concept is that if you fill the hole in the clutch with water and use teflon tape to seal the threads that the added volume (bolt being threaded into the clutch) will create enough pressure to push the clutch off. Being that water is an incompressible fluid when the bolt is threaded in it creates a lot of pressure given that the water has already occupied any volume (space) that is available.

What I did not know is that the threads in the clutch are different from those in the crank.

What you don't understand is that you need to use a clutch puller along with water or oil to pull your clutch. If you are using the clutch bolt you are just creating pressure on your crank threads and exserting no pressure on your clutch. The threads on a puller are a bigger diameter and does not engage your crank at all. It pushes on the crank instead of pulling. Using a liquid compounds that push.
)I sure wish I could draw a picture)
bottom line, you need a puller

 

[WyoBoy1000]

Its just a way to help with a puller, water alone doesn't have enough force.

 

[highmarkho]

Using the clutch bolt only works on Ski Doo. The clutch bolt threads into the clutch and then it threads into the crank. Arctic cat clutch bolts only thread into the crank

 

[mattymac]

Your putting the sled on its side while filling it with water right?

 

[Unknown]

grease

Use a grease gun and a puller!!

 

[Ausm7499]

I understand that the threads are different between the clutch bolt and puller. I am not an idiot I know that threading the clutch bolt into the crank with water in it is not going to magically pop the clutch off.

So has anybody pulled their clutch without using a puller. Say I was to buy a bolt that had the same threads as a puller (14mm X 1.5) and filled the clutch hole with water and threaded it into the clutch. Wouldn't this provide sufficient pressure to push the clutch off? The reason I am asking this question is because I have read several posts about people taking their primary clutches off without a puller. The post above about skidoo's having the same thread on the clutch and crank clears up why I thought using the clutch bolt would work because most of the posts I have read say to use the clutch bolt. In the end I may end up buying a puller because I went shopping for a bolt today and could not find one but I have not given up as i think I located some all thead that is 14mmx1.5.

 

[tundramonkey]

I understand that the threads are different between the clutch bolt and puller. I am not an idiot I know that threading the clutch bolt into the crank with water in it is not going to magically pop the clutch off.

So has anybody pulled their clutch without using a puller. Say I was to buy a bolt that had the same threads as a puller (14mm X 1.5) and filled the clutch hole with water and threaded it into the clutch. Wouldn't this provide sufficient pressure to push the clutch off? The reason I am asking this question is because I have read several posts about people taking their primary clutches off without a puller. The post above about skidoo's having the same thread on the clutch and crank clears up why I thought using the clutch bolt would work because most of the posts I have read say to use the clutch bolt. In the end I may end up buying a puller because I went shopping for a bolt today and could not find one but I have not given up as i think I located some all thead that is 14mmx1.5.

I don't think it will work with just a bolt (that matches the clutch threads) and water. The puller has a end that seats against the bottom of the hole in the crank to help push the clutch off.

 

[WyoBoy1000]

He is not an idiot, trust me. But I think you will have to buy a puller. or grind down the threads so it works like one. Did you find a new clutch.

 

[Ausm7499]

I picked up a new one for $200. Just need to get the old one off and swap out the weights and spring.

 

[JMCX]

Yes you can use just a regular bolt. I have done it several times. You have to spin the bolt fast when using water. Grease works good but messy afterward.

The threads in my Cat clutch are 9/16" UNF

 

[m8magicandmystery]

i have always just mounted a small fridge magnet 3/8 of an inch from my primary with the primary bolt removed and in the morning my primary is laying in the bottom of the sled nicely popped off...it has never failed me this system..still using same fridge magnet after 30 years...!!!!!

 

[type_a_positive]

i have always just mounted a small fridge magnet 3/8 of an inch from my primary with the primary bolt removed and in the morning my primary is laying in the bottom of the sled nicely popped off...it has never failed me this system..still using same fridge magnet after 30 years...!!!!!

Uhhh....Criss Angel is a sledder??? Explains the helmet hair I guess.

 

[spring snow hero]

gary, I have done it with just a boly and plenty of teflon. like I said earlier, you might still have to give it a tap to get it to pop......but the bolt will do it. I said 3/4 nf earlier, that was my bad....that is for polaris. 9/16 sounds more like it.

 

[Bubba700]

no offense, buy a clutch puller, its like 30$ plus shipping. Buy the right tool the first time then you will always have it. If you have one the water trick works like a charm. Thread till tight and give the end a lil tap and your done.

 

[WyoBoy1000]

You want me to pick it up and run it buy the dealer and have them pop it off so we can do some riding, snows not going to stick around for long.

 

[BigAir]

Yes you can use just a regular bolt. I have done it several times. You have to spin the bolt fast when using water. Grease works good but messy afterward.

The threads in my Cat clutch are 9/16" UNF

JMCX, is right. You do NOT need a clutch puller. Why buy a $30 puller when you can use a $2 bolt? He is right about it being a 9/16" NF bolt. I did not have luck with water, because I couldn't get a good enough seal. I have used both 20W50 motor oil and 80W90 gear oil with great results. The thicker the easier it is to get a seal. I haven't tried it, but you might not even need teflon using the gear oil when it is cold out. Fill to about half way up the threads and run the bolt in. Be careful not to overfill or you might not engage enough threads before it tightens up. I have pulled the clutches off my 800 RMK and M8 using this method. It does make a little bit of a mess, but cleaning a little oil out of the clutch bore and off the crank stub is not a big deal.

 

[mrquick68]

there are a million opinions but I'll throw mine in as its works like a charm every time.

get the puller or make yourself one with the right bolt...

put a good amount of bearing grease on the end of it and then tighten it down nice and tight. Wack the end with a hammer a few times, and it will pop right off. Water and tape, etc, etc - too much work. Dip the tip in grease and your set. Much easier.

 

[Ausm7499]

i have always just mounted a small fridge magnet 3/8 of an inch from my primary with the primary bolt removed and in the morning my primary is laying in the bottom of the sled nicely popped off...it has never failed me this system..still using same fridge magnet after 30 years...!!!!!

I am not calling BS on this but could you please eleborate a little on how this works and where exactly you are placing the magnet.

 

[theultrarider]

I am not calling BS on this but could you please eleborate a little on how this works and where exactly you are placing the magnet.

LOL, I'd like to hear the explaination of this as well!

 

[WyoBoy1000]

X3 .....