Amnesty

bholmlate · Mar 13, 2015

[FONT=&quot]Quote “This report estimates the annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level to be about $113 billion; nearly $29 billion at the federal level and $84 billion at the state and local level.” End Quote [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Ta[FONT=&quot]lking Point [/FONT][/FONT]Taken word for word directly off the front page of the Federation for American immigration reform (FAIR) web page Great source for unbiased and bipartisan information !!!!![/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]"The founder, chief ideologue and long-time funder of FAIR [ John Tanton ][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]John Tanton[/FONT][FONT=&quot] M.D. is an anti-immigrant activist "known for his racist statements about Latinos, his decades-long flirtation with white nationalists and Holocaust deniers, and his publication of ugly racist materials," according to the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC).<sup id="cite_ref-1">[1]</sup> He is the publisher of The Social Contract (designated as a "hate group" by the SPLC)<sup id="cite_ref-2">[2]</sup> and served as editor[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Quote “The IRS has issued a statement that the newly amnestied illegals will get SS numbers and file income taxes going back at least 3 years and since. End Quote [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Which seems to be correct however you forget to add because obviously it did not help your point that [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]I quote from a source that will be sited as liberal trash by someone I am sure[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“The earned income tax credit slides with the amount of earnings families report and the number of children they have. It’s also adjusted each year for inflation. The maximum amount a family with three or more children can claim this year on their 2014 tax filings is $6,242. The top amount that could be claimed over the last four years, according to IRS documents is $24,320 [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Of the 28.8 million families that applied for the tax credit on 2012 filings, only 3.5 million -- or 12 percent -- had three or more children, according to IRS figures. To qualify for the maximum credit, those families’ taxable income could have been no greater than about $23,000 a year. Only 1.3 million of those three-child or more families fell into that category, according to computations of IRS data by John Wancheck, who coordinates a program to publicize the earned income tax credit for the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In other words, only 6.4 percent of families applying for the tax credit in 2012 were eligible for the maximum benefit of about $6,000. The average credit was $2,407. So it’s likely, Wancheck said, that only a small percentage of reclassified immigrants would qualify for the maximum, three-child credit any given year, yet alone four years in a row.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Wancheck said certain issues may deter immigrants from trying to recoup the credit from past years: Many may not have the tax records necessary to file back returns; others may be reluctant to go through the hassle for what might end up being a small reward.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]IRS Commissioner John Koskinen recently told Congress that his agency has not estimated the cost of extending the tax credit to reclassified immigrants

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]So if the IRS doesn’t know I am guessing that your numbers might be slightly skewed by your belief structure[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]I will help you out so you don’t have to type anymore. Just point the readers to the following link. You need a rest I am sure you are tired of all this coping and re- typing[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-u-s-taxpayers[/FONT]
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bholmlate · Mar 13, 2015

James T Kirk said:
This guy who keeps quoting conservative talk show banter seems to have every possible stat on how much an illegal supposedly costs, but what about the countless millions saved daily by paying under the table for cheap labour? For a group that pushes trickle down economics as much as the far right does I find it entertaining that they completely ignore this point...

I know what you were getting at just failed at linking my point to yours . Must be my poor liberal education that is failing me

I do too find it entertaining. However if you think of it terms of if the pro's and con's balance there is not much sense to the argument that immigration is a bad thing. So you have to disregard the other side so you have a stronger point. I live in an area that has a lot of farming as well as hospitality two industries that rely heavily on migrant workers and of course the evil undocumented immigrants and have my eye open to the benefits of immigration reform. I still believe that the most people that are afraid of immigration reform benefit in some manner or form from cheap labor so they don't want to see that disappear and appose anything that will change that.

swampwater · Mar 13, 2015

So now your down to arguing numbers but you agree the amnestied illegal aliens will cost the American taxpayer! Oh and your SOURCE is only showing existing tax credit filers and does not include the millions that will be added as illegals are not included since they have not been filing and makes assumptions as to amounts. Good luck with that.

bholmlate said:
[FONT=&quot]Quote “This report estimates the annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level to be about $113 billion; nearly $29 billion at the federal level and $84 billion at the state and local level.” End Quote [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Ta[FONT=&quot]lking Point [/FONT][/FONT]Taken word for word directly off the front page of the Federation for American immigration reform (FAIR) web page Great source for unbiased and bipartisan information !!!!![/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]"The founder, chief ideologue and long-time funder of FAIR [ John Tanton ][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]John Tanton[/FONT][FONT=&quot] M.D. is an anti-immigrant activist "known for his racist statements about Latinos, his decades-long flirtation with white nationalists and Holocaust deniers, and his publication of ugly racist materials," according to the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC).<sup id="cite_ref-1">[1]</sup> He is the publisher of The Social Contract (designated as a "hate group" by the SPLC)<sup id="cite_ref-2">[2]</sup> and served as editor[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Quote “The IRS has issued a statement that the newly amnestied illegals will get SS numbers and file income taxes going back at least 3 years and since. End Quote [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Which seems to be correct however you forget to add because obviously it did not help your point that [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]I quote from a source that will be sited as liberal trash by someone I am sure[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“The earned income tax credit slides with the amount of earnings families report and the number of children they have. It’s also adjusted each year for inflation. The maximum amount a family with three or more children can claim this year on their 2014 tax filings is $6,242. The top amount that could be claimed over the last four years, according to IRS documents is $24,320 [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Of the 28.8 million families that applied for the tax credit on 2012 filings, only 3.5 million -- or 12 percent -- had three or more children, according to IRS figures. To qualify for the maximum credit, those families’ taxable income could have been no greater than about $23,000 a year. Only 1.3 million of those three-child or more families fell into that category, according to computations of IRS data by John Wancheck, who coordinates a program to publicize the earned income tax credit for the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In other words, only 6.4 percent of families applying for the tax credit in 2012 were eligible for the maximum benefit of about $6,000. The average credit was $2,407. So it’s likely, Wancheck said, that only a small percentage of reclassified immigrants would qualify for the maximum, three-child credit any given year, yet alone four years in a row.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Wancheck said certain issues may deter immigrants from trying to recoup the credit from past years: Many may not have the tax records necessary to file back returns; others may be reluctant to go through the hassle for what might end up being a small reward.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]IRS Commissioner John Koskinen recently told Congress that his agency has not estimated the cost of extending the tax credit to reclassified immigrants

[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]So if the IRS doesn’t know I am guessing that your numbers might be slightly skewed by your belief structure[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]I will help you out so you don’t have to type anymore. Just point the readers to the following link. You need a rest I am sure you are tired of all this coping and re- typing[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-u-s-taxpayers[/FONT]

Mafesto · Mar 14, 2015

Any kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and a house divided against itself will fall. Luke 11:17

BHO has surrounded himself with dividers.

He has elevated people into positions of power that have used their power & influence to divide.

The sheeple following the left are simply drinking the koolaid in blissful ignorance.

mold · Mar 14, 2015

In this case it is tequila not koolaid.

James T Kirk · Mar 14, 2015

Mafesto said:
Any kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and a house divided against itself will fall. Luke 11:17

BHO has surrounded himself with dividers.

He has elevated people into positions of power that have used their power & influence to divide.

The sheeple following the left are simply drinking the koolaid in blissful ignorance.

Right wing religious and calling others dividers. Awesome.

Wasn't it the far right that publicly made it their mission to make BHO fail? What could be more divisive than that? I guarantee that if BHO had a complete opposite stance on immigration the religious right hypocrites would be taking the stance he is now.

Mafesto · Mar 14, 2015

James T Kirk said:
Wasn't it the far right that publicly made it their mission to make BHO fail?

We cannot take the credit for that.
He has failed time & time again all on his own.

swampwater · Mar 15, 2015

Agents cannot say why more sex offenders are attempting to cross.
Just the kind of immigrants the democrats want, I suppose OB will give them their NAMBLA membership with their amnesty!

Within the last five months, 144 apprehended.
During the same time last year, 93 sex offenders were caught trying to fly under the radar.
In December, a woman from El Salvador was picked up, who was convicted of child sex assault back in 2009. It reportedly happened in Dallas County.
Later that month, three Mexican nationals were caught near Harlingen.
In February, seven sex offenders were rounded up near McAllen, Harlingen, Falfurrias and Kingsville.
Less than a week later, another two Mexican nationals were caught. Two days ago, two Guatemalan men were arrested.
The sex offenders go to great lengths to avoid capture. Agents said they often travel through South Texas brush and try to blend in with large groups of illegal immigrants.
Border Patrol agents are using sophisticated software that search criminal databases worldwide. They have strengthened their biometric technology, which scans fingerprints, scans retinas, and has facial recognition.
Agents cannot say why more sex offenders are attempting to cross. They often try to travel to the U.S. to avoid legal repercussions for the crimes they committed in their home countries.
The Border Patrol is also tracking an uptick in rescues. They are seeing a spike in both search and rescues on the Rio Grande and deaths.

swampwater · Mar 15, 2015

What does this tell you about the cost of illegal aliens?

http://www.wsp.wa.gov/crime/wanted.php

mold · Mar 16, 2015

not to mention the cost of having to carry uninsured motorist insurance

swampwater · Mar 19, 2015

This is insane, I bet they will enjoy their Medicaid, Tax credits and free health care as their robbing, raping and murdering Americans at will!

Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials announced the agency had released 30,558 criminal illegals in fiscal 2014 – and at least one sheriff in Arizona, Paul Babeu, expressed outrage, accusing President Obama of overseeing one of the “largest prison breaks” in U.S. history.

“These were the worst of the worst [criminals] – even the ones that President Obama said at one time needed to be deported,” said Babue, the ranking law enforcement officer in Pinal County in central Arizona, located about 70 miles from the U.S. border with Mexico, in an interview with Newsmax. “Now all of a sudden, we’re releasing tens of thousands of them into our community in really such a reckless manner that how do we not hold the president and these officials as co-conspirators in their crimes once committed?”

The release of the 30,558 is actually down from the previous fiscal year, when ICE reported feds let go 36,007 criminal illegals, Newsmax said.

The illegals were supposed to be under “supervised release,” ICE director Sarah Saldana said. They were released because of a court order that prevented federal authorities from holding them more than six months if their home countries wouldn’t take them.

But Babeu said the situation is dangerous to Americans – and that the Obama administration has in effect “led the largest prison breaks in the history of our country,” Newsmax reported.

Team Obama policies, he went on, “have lethal consequences for innocent American citizens who become victims.”

The ICE figures released on Wednesday didn’t specify the types of crimes the illegals committed. But data from the previous year indicted that many had been convicted of homicide, sexual assault, kidnapping, and driving under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

Mafesto · Mar 19, 2015

Good info Swampy,
But the leftminded Osamanites are so damned stupid that they have allowed themselves to be indoctrinated and actually favor the policies that may well destroy our country.

Bocephus · Mar 20, 2015

mold said:
In this case it is tequila not koolaid.

and "legal" herbs

Disco Dan Richter · Apr 3, 2015

Oh so wrong on so many levels. We are a nation of law, not of men, in particular men who make their own law....enter Barrack Obama. Right or left matters not. We have a system in place to allow legal immigration that gives any legitimate and law abiding person a chance at the American dream, the Amnesty Obumba has provided is simply ILLEGAL!
1-Crime. What do we do with all these poor people? Many of which who turn to crime again and again, and get turned back into the public, yes it is actually happening. We have all seen instances which an illegal has murdered an American who was released from custody from a previous arrest.
2-money. Who's going to pay for them? They aren't. They don't have jobs, instead they turn to the states for gov funding in the form of welfare, snap, OB Care, good lord the opportunities are endless. We the tax payers, the working class are the ones who pay. We put it all in, and get absolutely nothing in return, that is wrong. It needs to end.
3-jobs. Are you Union? If you are, you should be totlaly pizzed off! How long before companies looking to save money start training them in your place? The USW is already starting behind your backs to do this. So long for those high paying union jobs! How about small biz? When employers find out they can hire illegals for a third of what Americans cost, watch them hire at will. I wont, I will only hire Americans regardless, if it means I lose money so be it. It really does mean something to do the right thing.
4-Taxes. Since they never have, nor likely ever will pay them, our gov will continue to go into deeper debt. We have racked up 9 trillion under Obumba, watch that rise, and watch the dems blame the republicans afterall, its their mantra.
5-Black people. I am certainly disgusted that black people dont see that the illegals are their replacement. All the poverty we have, all the unemployment, all the gov programs to help them are in jeopardy. Obumba has given illegals the spot ahead of black people, he does not care. He thinks he has the black vote for the democrats no matter what, so adding 20 million more can only secure the liberals never lose power in DC. Illegals are taking over as the number two race, behind whites. Black people are being thrown aside for the illegals, they should be absolutely fuc@#ng infuriated over this. All the garbage they went through and now their own leader is throwing them under the rug, it's simply disgusting.
6-disease. The uninoculated illegals are brings back the diseases we eradicated and are inoculated for. TB, scabies etc...and a mysteries respiratory disease that cant be treated. Imagine being a victim of that?
Don't forget that a lot of people, liberals in particular, are choosing not to inoculate their children, they are the ones who are primarily contracting the diseases and spreading it further. Once they mutate, even inoculated children can get them, its happening right now.
They are also bringing in the "kissing bug". Deadly bug, very deadly. The bug bites you and defecates on you, the bacteria in the scat causes heart failure. Almost 100 percent death rate, although I may be wrong on the actual rate.
Illegals need to go back. Obama is going so far as to send planes to the central American countries and flying them here on our dime, you ok with that? After all, its safer than walking right? That's our government at work folks, plain and simple. I am ok helping those in need, just not those who come here for a free ride. This can be fixed, we just need to stop voting for the same A-holes year after year. Stop voting Democrat, Republican as well. Go strait up independent or libertarian. A Libertarian would have no issue standing up for whats right, these idiots in now have no balls, don't expect anything to change.
I was a democrat, I was a republican. I will never vote for them again, ever!
I am a full blown supporter of secession. It is likely inevitable as splinter groups of people stand up and fight. The USA is slowly headed for a civil disruption. Its going to happen, I guarantee it. We have have been here before, it was not pretty. This time it will be real ugly. Hopefully people will wake up and realize this before millions of people take up arms and start killing.
NSA, IRS, HSA, CIA, BLM, all gov orgs that are armed to the teeth. Why?
What are they worried about? Civil war! They oppress you and force you to do what they want, pay what they want and more. There is no privacy, there is no integrity, there is no decency! There is only what they want you to believe. I blame mostly liberals for this, but a lot has to go to the conservatives for not standing up enough.
Go ahead and call me crazy, you would not be the first people to do so, but every year, everything I rant about come true.
The system is severely broken and illegals are taking advantage. For some reason, liberals never seem to want to care, until it's too late. Kind of like Obamas leadership skills. Leading from behind.

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