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China has Obama and the greenies by the short hairs

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As hybrid cars gobble rare metals, shortage looms

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) – The Prius hybrid automobile is popular for its fuel efficiency, but its electric motor and battery guzzle rare earth metals, a little-known class of elements found in a wide range of gadgets and consumer goods.

That makes Toyota's market-leading gasoline-electric hybrid car and other similar vehicles vulnerable to a supply crunch predicted by experts as China, the world's dominant rare earths producer, limits exports while global demand swells.

Worldwide demand for rare earths, covering 15 entries on the periodic table of elements, is expected to exceed supply by some 40,000 tonnes annually in several years unless major new production sources are developed. One promising U.S. source is a rare earths mine slated to reopen in California by 2012.

Among the rare earths that would be most affected in a shortage is neodymium, the key component of an alloy used to make the high-power, lightweight magnets for electric motors of hybrid cars, such as the Prius, Honda Insight and Ford Focus, as well as in generators for wind turbines.

Close cousins terbium and dysprosium are added in smaller amounts to the alloy to preserve neodymium's magnetic properties at high temperatures. Yet another rare earth metal, lanthanum, is a major ingredient for hybrid car batteries.

Production of both hybrids cars and wind turbines is expected to climb sharply amid the clamor for cleaner transportation and energy alternatives that reduce dependence on fossil fuels blamed for global climate change.

Toyota has 70 percent of the U.S. market for vehicles powered by a combination of an internal-combustion engine and electric motor. The Prius is its No. 1 hybrid seller.

Jack Lifton, an independent commodities consultant and strategic metals expert, calls the Prius "the biggest user of rare earths of any object in the world."

Each electric Prius motor requires 1 kilogram (2.2 lb) of neodymium, and each battery uses 10 to 15 kg (22-33 lb) of lanthanum. That number will nearly double under Toyota's plans to boost the car's fuel economy, he said.

Toyota plans to sell 100,000 Prius cars in the United States alone for 2009, and 180,000 next year. The company forecasts sales of 1 million units per year starting in 2010.

As China's industries begin to consume most of its own rare earth production, Toyota and other companies are seeking to secure reliable reserves for themselves.

Reuters reported last year that Japanese firms are showing strong interest in a Canadian rare earth site under development at Thor Lake in the Northwest Territories.

A Toyota spokeswoman in Los Angeles said the automaker would not comment on its resource development plans. But media accounts and industry blogs have reported recently that Toyota has looked at rare earth possibilities in Canada and Vietnam.
 

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China is going to charge Prius drivers $$$$ (via Toyota) for these battery elements\minerals and send tons of mining pollution into the air in doing so. The pollution will then cross the Pacific and be inhaled by these same left coast Prius driving eco-asstards that were so worried about the environment in the first place? I can see that making sense to a liberal, and they'll feel better about themselves and that's what's really most important.
 
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Image the problem the sierra club is gonna have.
They have been pushing the prius as the car to have.
Now, do you allow them to open up mining in california to keep the flow of metals flowing and allow the prius to continue to be built and repaired, or do you stick to your guns about zero mining and shut down the operation.

And, if you allow mining to commence in california, how do you then maintain the total ban you had put in other places around the country?

This could be funny to watch.
 
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Rotflmao!
So we can't use paper products cuz it kills trees (let the beetles kill them and wildfires destroy them instead so there's major pollution in the air).
We can't use plastic because it's petroleum.
We can't use metals because mining rapes the land.
We can't use water because the minnows are endangered and, if the Clean Water Act passes, gvt will control the water on your property (see old thread for link to current bill),
We can't eat meat because cow and pig farts contribute more to global warming than anything else (see old thread for "scientific" links)
We can't use solar power because it uses too much water and destroys dessert tortoise and other animal habitat.
We can't use hydro power because they're tearing out dams to restore the natural habitat of the fish. Dams are evil.

P.S. Penn and Teller proved you can get Greenies to sign petitions banning water.

Now we can't use wind turbines (they forgot that they kill birds)

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"Living near a wind farm can cause heart disease, panic attacks and migraines"

By Daniel Martin
Last updated at 1:42 AM on 03rd August 2009

Living close to wind farms can lead to a greater risk of heart disease, panic attacks and migraines, according to a study.

The farms can cause 'wind turbine syndrome', the symptoms of which also include tinnitus, vertigo and sleep deprivation, research to be published later this year claims.

Dr Nina Pierpoint, a leading New York paediatrician, says her five-year study of people living near wind turbines in the U.S., Britain, Italy, Ireland and Canada has led her to believe that they can also trigger nightmares in children and stop their brains developing properly.

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Dr Pierpoint, a fellow of the American Academy of Paediatrics, believes turbines are dangerous because the low frequency sounds they emit interfere with the ear's vestibular system, which controls our sense of balance.

These sounds - which are too low frequency for the human ear to hear - cause a group of symptoms she calls 'visceral vibratory vestibular disturbance', or VVVD.

They cause problems such as quivering, nervousness, fear, a compulsion to flee, chest tightness and tachycardia or increased heart rate.

The noise from turbines can also trigger nightmares and other disorders in children as well as harm cognitive development in the young, she claims..."

(course she only studied 38 people)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1203770/Are-wind-farms-risk-health.html?ITO=1490
 
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Living close to wind farms can lead to a greater risk of heart disease, panic attacks and migraines, according to a study.

The farms can cause 'wind turbine syndrome', the symptoms of which also include tinnitus, vertigo and sleep deprivation, research to be published later this year claims.

Dr Nina Pierpoint, a leading New York paediatrician, says her five-year study of people living near wind turbines in the U.S., Britain, Italy, Ireland and Canada has led her to believe that they can also trigger nightmares in children and stop their brains developing properly.



^^^^^ That opens up the door to sue G.E. untill Mr Immelt is forced out
 
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