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Have read many posts relating to this subject, seems they get muddled up with alignment bar differences, ways of measuring, it can't be done etc. etc. The key is understanding what's happening and how to go about it. It's simple shimming, but determining where and how much takes time to figure out. In order to keep this lenghty post as short as possible, I want to limit the procedure to the most common alignment problem, primary out .050 to .120 motor twisted clockwise in relation to jackshaft (secondary). Start by pulling primary, set aside but close by, remove bolt on secondary but leave secondary on jackshaft for now. Loosen front crossmember bolts, back out 1/8" or so, it doesn't really matter just so they're loose. Same with rear mount bolts. Back off torque stop(s) and and unhook torque link if so equipped. Now if you grab motor and jiggle it around, that is in essence what's available to shim around, but where to start? No beer breaks yet, the 900's sit in 4 point stance within bulkhead assembly, all 4 mounting points are important but the first one in importantance is rear mag side, because that's the one in closest proximity to jackshaft/chaincase assembly. If I'm seeking parallelism between crank and jackshaft this is great place to start, with the added ridgitity of chaincase, plus I have a bossed threaded hole on crankcase in which to run my motormount bolt into. So with everything loose try tightening the rear mag, and only the rear mag side. What happened? To see, slide the primary onto crank, just 'hand snug' and lay your alignment bar on it, now what is alignment to secondary? Better/worse? (add or remove shims on secondary to get accurate reading) If I were a betting man, I'm betting the alignment (motor twisted cw scenario) just got a whole lot better! Next tighten front pto side, any change? Check and verify with alignment tool. Try the front mag side, check and verify. That leaves rear pto side, in my experience, by far the biggest culprit in clutch mis-alignment. Now's a good time for a cold one.....By now you'll notice a large gap between inside of motor mount and boss of crankcase, measure it with feeler gauges. This where appropriate thickness shim/washer goes. But before that, just for giggles try tightening that bolt without shim and notice what happens. All that CW twist goes straight to the motor via the front rubber/urethane motor mounts! Is it a wonder these things fail so much, along with everything connected to them! Also check for parallelism on the vertical plane (Z axis), since ends of crank and jackshaft have been faced, spotdrilled and tapped, a good quality torpedo level is all that's needed, held flush on ends of shafts. Once these things are confirmed it's just reassembly, don't forget to set deflection, offset & float on secondary. I'm out!
 

Z-Man

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where do you get shims for doing this?
 
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Appreciate the positive response! Personally for shims, I use washers, bring a caliper when hunting, you'll be surprised how much 3/8" washers vary. Here's some pictures off my own sled, the gold colored washer on rear pto shot is approx. .120

 
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I like the aluminum heat shield to guard your intake boots, That seems like a really good idea.
 
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Your welcome. Got a few inches of snow here in MN. so took sleds out on test run today, just a mile or so to check over summer work. The 900 is running strong, as is the newly acquired 600-I have to say that thing really is a potent machine also! Wow!
 
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Having the exact problem your describing. Found the front two 3/8 motor mount bolts broke. Replaced them with grade8. I have an SLP alignment checker and its flush with the front of the secondary and .070 gap in the back. SLP says I should be flush and .020 gap in back (with a tourque arm and stop) Tried just what you explained and it only changed a few thousandths any other suggestions? If I pull the clutch side bolts out completely I can move the motor enough but my holes are a ways off then. Anyone know what the center to center of the crank and jack shaft should be for an 06' 900 switchback?
 
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Good questions, glad you brought up c to c distance-11.5" when it's all said and done. The CW twist is usually, but not limited to the rear pto mount. So the way I read your description, there was only a few thousandths available for shim stack at rear pto? That's good, you gotta tight chassis, so to speak! Try different sequences on the bolt patterns when going from loose to tight, checking and verifing with align. bar after each bolt gets the wrench put to it. Look for available gaps at each of 4 mounting points as you go. When you find the best combination, which may be two opposite sides, measure with feeler gauges and shim. Personally if .070 was the best I could get, I wouldn't worry about it esp. if belt life was reasonably good. Now there are other ways to get creative but I wouldn't go there yet. With the hp & torque of the 900's, chassis flex, clutching forces etc. just back off torque stops a smudge @ final assembly. Keep us posted!
 

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I'm a little confused... not surprising. So are you saying there should be no gap? The motor is suppose to sit a little twisted so that it torques around in to place when you are on the gas right?

sled_guy
 

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I'm a little confused... not surprising. So are you saying there should be no gap? The motor is suppose to sit a little twisted so that it torques around in to place when you are on the gas right?

sled_guy

it's supposed to, but with the torque arm and pusher arm on there I don't think it moves much, especially if you have compfusion mounts. The Alignment tool set it for the proper amount of motor twist.

I was just looking over the instructions on the SLP site and they recommend .000 to .020 gap at the back with their torque arm and pusher.
 
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Well tried tightening different bolts in different orders and every wich way. I can get the CW twist to where the alignment tool touches the front of the secondary and has a .060 gap in the back. Is it just my sled or is it the same on everyones 900?? I think the only way I can get this gap down to .020 or .000 like SLP recommends is to slot the motor mount holes. Don't know if I want to do that? Any other suggestions?
 
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Go with your gut feeling, I wouldn't recommend slotting the holes. What's that line from the military flick where the guy is talking about his rifle.."there are many like it, but this one is mine", you've established the best motor placement for this given sled, you know this better than anyone right? Now some sleds are better, some are worse, but I would venture to say lots don't know one way or the other, not saying this to be mean but that's just the way it is. A typical human hair is .003 thick as is a sheet of standard notebook paper, so given the 900's power, 20 of either of those is no problemo! With the torque stops & link arm, not to mention the fixed front motor mounts, you'll be fine.
 

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Have you by chance changed out the front motormounts? Also did you check all your motor mounts by placing them in a vice to see if they were cracked? There might be a little play in the front mounts that you could get more adjustment out of.
 
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Well I took one of those "beer breaks" you mentioned and I feel ALOT better about the .060 so I'm gonna put this pig back together and run it! Problem solved! Thanks for all the help I'll keep ya posted on how it performs
 
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