Common XP issue and maintenance!!

triple7 · Sep 26, 2009

Ok guys, I am sticking this to the XP sled section. I want people to post links to any other threads and just post in here about issues that you are finding with your XP's, what people are doing to fix it, any updates you hear about etc.

The first thing I would like to add to the thread is the link to Winter Brews thread about rear motor mount bolts breaking the heads off. It is right here http://www.snowest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=165604

I will unstick that thread so to access it, just use the link.

Hopefully this will give us XP guys a place to look and see what guys are having problems with without having to search the whole forum!

Jake

summitchaser · Sep 27, 2009

Hey guys,

I just got a 09 summit 163. I have noticed a little bit of sag in the rear suspension. Is that a pretty common problem? Are there any good fixes, short of replacing the rear suspension.

Thanks

winter brew · Sep 27, 2009

They are supposed to sag.

MT boondocker · Sep 27, 2009

Here's a link to Dootalk about the oil pump cable fraying.

http://www.dootalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=326274

I checked mine for this and it was fine. Checked the rear engine mount
bolt that Winter Brew talked about and it was fine also.
But, that said it was good to check to be sure.

winter brew · Sep 27, 2009

Everyone with a '08 should put in a '09 primary clutch spring cap/bushing assembly. More precise fit and better bushing material. Same part number but the updated part will come in a box, not a bag. :beer;

MT boondocker · Sep 27, 2009

winter brew said:
Everyone with a '08 should put in a '09 primary clutch spring cap/bushing assembly. More precise fit and better bushing material. Same part number but the updated part will come in a box, not a bag. :beer;

Is the part you are talking about, part #417222759 and called spring cover assembly?

triple7 · Sep 27, 2009

winter brew said:
Everyone with a '08 should put in a '09 primary clutch spring cap/bushing assembly. More precise fit and better bushing material. Same part number but the updated part will come in a box, not a bag. :beer;

Also, the updated secondary belt adjuster is a bit of an improvement as well.

I didnt know about the oil cable. I will have a look at that!

Thanks!

Jake

portgrinder · Sep 27, 2009

my buddies frayed and locked. this caused the throttle to stick wot and took off into a tree.

BIG JOHN · Sep 28, 2009

updates

2009-10 ECM update for all models...
2009 TRA spring cup for all 2007-2008 TRA 7...
oil pump cable on all 2008's...
2009 or aftermarket belt adjuster on ALL 2008/2009s with black plastic adjuster...
21/45 gearing and 102 chain for 2008 146 summits
20/45 for all 154 summits at 6000' and higher
next stiffest rear springs on ALL summits...
let limiter strap out 1-2 holes with stiffer springs^
rebuild ALL 2008 shocks...
Jack shaft tower brace on ALL XP's
new rails/center shock update for all 154's (dooing this to mine)...

snowrodeo · Sep 28, 2009

BIG JOHN said:
new rails/center shock update for all 154's (dooing this to mine)...

any info on this update?

triple7 · Sep 28, 2009

BIG JOHN said:
2009-10 ECM update for all models...
2009 TRA spring cup for all 2007-2008 TRA 7...
oil pump cable on all 2008's...
2009 or aftermarket belt adjuster on ALL 2008/2009s with black plastic adjuster...
21/45 gearing and 102 chain for 2008 146 summits
20/45 for all 154 summits at 6000' and higher
next stiffest rear springs on ALL summits...
let limiter strap out 1-2 holes with stiffer springs^
rebuild ALL 2008 shocks...
Jack shaft tower brace on ALL XP's
new rails/center shock update for all 154's (dooing this to mine)...

Thats good info.

I also completely forgot about this until I just remembered that my 2008 throttle cable frayed and broke. My buddy's did the same thing as well. Im not sure if it was a limited issue but it happened at about the 3k mile mark on both sleds. I felt the cable take on a funny feel a ride before it did it but I never expected it to break. It happened to let go at the bottom of a bowl with the only way in and out a pretty good chute...made for an interesting adventure.

Everybody should lube and check the throttle cable for sure! It broke after the splitter.

Also John, what is the deal with the 08 shocks?? Oil breaking down early or something?? Or is this back to the nitrogen pressure issue??

Good thread folks

Jake

khaddon2110 · Sep 29, 2009

snowrodeo said:
any info on this update?

page 113 of the 2010 parts & accessories catalog

part #860200404.......$499.99

SUMMIT 154" REAR SUSPENSION UPGRADE

Upgrade your 2008 & 2009 SC5 Summit rear suspension to 2010 specifications - Includes new rails, front HPG rebuildable shock, additional rear shock vavling kit and hardware....

Cowett78 · Sep 29, 2009

I went through three throttle cables in about 3500 miles this season.
I did break alot of other things on that sled, but those are a pain. Can someone design a 2 piece throttle cable for the xp?

skidoo_guy · Sep 29, 2009

BIG JOHN said:
20/45 for all 154 summits at 6000' and higher

Can anyone tell me what the stock gearing is for an 08 154? Just wondering if I should change it out.

skidoo_guy · Sep 29, 2009

Also thought of another one. Check the bolts holding the Y pipe on as I believe it is still an issue of them coming out.

MT boondocker · Sep 29, 2009

skidoo_guy said:
Can anyone tell me what the stock gearing is for an 08 154? Just wondering if I should change it out.

Stock gearing on the 08 was 21/45.

Original OT · Sep 29, 2009

Comon XP issues.......

1. Y-Pipe bolts may be loose. They my require snugged up a 1/2 turn.
1. The TRA clutch historically requires attention.
3. Some guy's prefer longer limiter straps
4 Rear torsion springs for "Heavy Riders" need upgraded
5. Fuel Gauge not accurate
6. Handwarmers 2008 XP issue.
7. Recoil melts causing pull rope to fail

Maintenance .......

1, Keep clutches clean (every 3rd ride)
2. Keep track adjusted
3. Keep suspension thawed
4. Keep parts greased. Moister in suspension parts use lots of grease
5. Check ski alignment

Many of the issues surrounding skidoo is not just limited to the XP. There just historical issues that for what ever reason BRP can not justify correcting. Example: RECOIL FAILURE

OT

BIG JOHN · Sep 30, 2009

DOHH in my best Homer voice... Y-pipe bolts thanks ski-doo guy...

I recomend the Nord-Loc washers and a spot of red loctite..no more problems...

OT- the limiter strap length is irrelevent..the front shock is too short...anything longer than the last hole in stock strap = shock limiting front arm drop = bad for inside shock...BJ

Original OT · Sep 30, 2009

BJ, let me correct my statement about the limiter strap.....The XP limiter strap does not have enough adjustment for some riders ( i think theres 2 instead of 3). The looser strap will allow the front end of the sled to stay up on the snow better in deep snow. As for the center shock i believe the shock length is the same as years past. The 2 springs however is new for the XP which i don't know why BRP opted for 2 springs vs the traditional 1 spring in the center shock. Must be due to selling more parts 2 spring purchase vs a 1spring purchase.

OT

Techsledder · Sep 30, 2009

MT boondocker said:
Is the part you are talking about, part #417222759 and called spring cover assembly?

Does anyone have an answer for this?

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